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| I need some advice. [message #1101042] |
Sat, 24 February 2007 09:39  |
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As the title says, I need some advice. I'm currently in my schools advance placement art program. I do very well at the things I choose to draw, but that's my problem. I have what many AP art teachers call "The Anime Disease." They often claim that using anime is stealing another artists work. Though I guess it looks that way if you only know of anime like Dragon Ball Z, Pokemon, or Sailor Moon. Not much variety in style.
Anyway, back to "The Anime Disease" problem. I want to find a way to change my drawing style without disappointing myself and keeping my art teacher happy. I'm already trying by putting aspects common in anime (although more detailed) and mixing it with the realism that my art teacher wants to see. See, I want to keep the anime influence, but also make sure that my art teacher doesn't hound me about my choice in style.
Any advice?
"Bury the bones in the common land immersed in thesis
Be burdened by depression
The gritty tsunami takes me away and I smile with bitter tears
Couldn't understand the value of things" - Vinushka by Dir en grey |
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| Re: I need some advice. [message #1101060] |
Sat, 24 February 2007 14:20  |
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I (we, really) could use more information about what exactly it is that you do. Do you do pencil sketches? Black and white? Only lines? Color? What kind of coloring? These things all matter.
Your teachers are right, though. And no, it's not "only if you've seen..." in this case. Look at our art site and see just how much of the average art looks exactly the same, no matter the artist. But you also don't want to "keep your teacher happy," you should be proud to be developing your own style.
The problem with "the anime disease" is that people use it as an easy way out; I saw it all the time in my art courses. I'd tell them to round out the chin, not have it angular, and they'd say "no, this is easier." I'd say to blend the colors, they'd say cel-shading was better. Having giant, shining eyes was common because they didn't want to learn how to draw eyes properly.
Don't be one of those people. I don't know your art to give a solid critique, so advice on this matter is really hard for me to give since it has to be vague.
In the end, I would say adopt as much realism as you can in the form of the body. But that's me, and I'm into realism. I'll warp something if I think it has a better feel, but generally realistic. Putting my bias aside, you should still blend as much realism into it as you can. I'm assuming you draw portraits, so many other art styles don't fit into the mix all that well. Perhaps you should try researching other styles? Cartooning and realism aren't the only ones out there with people as the subject matter.
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| Re: I need some advice. [message #1101103] |
Sat, 24 February 2007 20:06 |
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You put the advice a lot easier than my teacher does. And I try to give my art a good look to it. I draw anime because it's fun and I think it's cool, not because I find it easier. In a lot of ways, anime is harder for me because I'm completely trying a different style from realism. When I draw realism it's usually right there in front of me, so I have an easier time because I already know what it looks like.
I would like to give you examples of my better art, but most of it is at my school. So I'll just show you what it is that I have. The scans aren't that good, but that's due to having sketch books bigger than my scanner.
I would like to have as much advice as possible because I'm trying to make a portfolio of my work to send to a college board (which is the porpose of the class). I have to have twelve completed pieces of artwork in less than ten weeks. So I need as much as possible as quickly as possible.
Here are some examples of my art:
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"Bury the bones in the common land immersed in thesis
Be burdened by depression
The gritty tsunami takes me away and I smile with bitter tears
Couldn't understand the value of things" - Vinushka by Dir en grey
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| Re: I need some advice. [message #1101349] |
Tue, 27 February 2007 14:04 |
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Okay, really quickly now as I don't have much time. Reply and I'll get back with more later--sorry for not being able to address everything at once and sooner. I've been strapped for time.
With the eyes, the bottom two are great. Really, they're almost perfect--they could use a tad more detail around the eye itself, but good otherwise. The three above those and the ones in the colored piece aren't that great, however. The ones in the colored piece, especially; honestly, they look like what you might use if you wanted an easy way out.
As far as the colored piece goes, the neck is too long (that shouldn't be stylistic, that's just an error) and that line going across it doesn't really make much sense. The face is much, much too angular. Cartooning, specifically anime, isn't really a block head with an upside-down triangle pushed up beneath it, which is how that face looks. Cheekbones far too prominent and there's really no chin. Stylistically, that might be fine, but that's more on par with Pokemon or DBZ and such things. That's something you should look into making more realistic. Improve, but you don't need to worry about getting it perfect since you're not aiming for strict realism. The hair in generally fine, though that horizontal piece sticking out really defies gravity and kinda bugs me; that might be a personal thing, though. The nose looks nonexistent since all you really have is a shadow and no mass casting that shadow. You may consider looking up some ways to draw noses that are a little more realistic. They don't have to be perfect, though. Lips are great, there's nothing more to say about them. Same with the clothing; also looks good from what I can see.
Big issue, though, is that I see no shading at all except the little bit to denote that a nose exists, which, honestly, it doesn't do that good of a job of. I don't actually envision a nose there.
Now, realize this about anime and other cartooning in relation to realism: thick outlines do not exist in reality. Because of this, you will always have an anime-feel to your work, at least to you. Others might identify it with something else. Depending on the artist, that may or may not be a good thing. For you, you like the style, so it's a good thing. For me, I hate having really visible outlines on my own pieces, even though they generally end up there anyway since the lightly valued areas need a place where they stop and I'm not so good at that. It's not a good thing for me.
You also seem to have a good grasp of value when I look at the eggs. It's not wholly realistic because the values don't all blend together. It looks more like a mix between cel-shading and realistic shading. That's up to you whether or not you think it's a good thing. Personally, I think it's good for your style.
Okay, one full critique and a bunch of extra info; hope that helps somewhat. I'll say more if you need me to, or if anyone else comes along and needs some clarification.
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| Re: I need some advice. [message #1101432] |
Tue, 27 February 2007 22:37 |
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Well, first I would consider seriously studying anatomy. At the very least, study the people around you. See how their necks move when they turn their heads, lower them, lift them.... I can't really tell you exactly what to do because that's hard in text and I'm not that good at the neck, myself.
For eyes, you should know that eyes don't look any different for males and females in their natural state. They really do look the same. The differences come when women straighten, thicken, blacken, whatever it is they do (I'm no makeup expert). This makes the lashes distinctly feminine. Now, again, I'm not expert, but I would imagine that male lashes are simply thinner, less numerous (appearance, at least) and shorter.
I have problems with a natural look. My eyes always come out looking feminine, like they're heavily madeup. I'm not exactly the best person to be answering this question because of that.
For making the face less angular, just use a round shape for it. An oval with a slightly thinner bottom than top. I'm not entirely sure how to describe it and I lack the time to make a good example, but that's how I would say it. I'm pretty sure they recommend that in most drawing books. If you want to maintain thinner chins, then just make the oval taper off sooner and faster.
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| Re: I need some advice. [message #1147697] |
Fri, 09 October 2009 07:51 |
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Sounds like your art teacher is a real hag. My high school art teacher thought it was dumb that colleges dissed on anime because it IS a legitimate art style and not just dozens of carbon copies (not necessarily, anyways).
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