| Rating System [message #856753] |
Thu, 28 July 2005 10:38  |
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I've read that the MPAA is going after fanfiction authors and sites using their rating system ( G, PG, PG-13, etc). I've already seen other major portal sites implementing their own rating systems. Perhaps this should be done here.
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| Re: Rating System [message #858597] |
Fri, 29 July 2005 12:56  |
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 soutassister 
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Where can I find an explanation of the new rating system? Thanks.
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| Re: Rating System [message #859834] |
Sat, 30 July 2005 16:26 |
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Your welcome. I've also been informed the RIAA is going after (fines, suing) and shutting down sites with lyrics from songs. This means song fics could be a target. The way the world works today... *sighs*
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| Re: Rating System [message #860086] |
Sat, 30 July 2005 23:43 |
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That's why our rules regarding songfics and the lyric to fic ratio read as they do. It helps authors ensure that they stay within Fair Use and don't stray into plagiarism.
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| Ratings [message #860688] |
Sun, 31 July 2005 20:27 |
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Does anyone know what the new ratings stand for. odviously(sp) A is all and X is what used to be NC-17, but what do the others stand for?
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| Re: Rating System [message #861606] |
Mon, 01 August 2005 21:15 |
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Y'know, I think either this is a hoax, or the MPAA is unbelievably stupid.
I mean how can they expect to stake ownership to stuff like G and PG? Other countries use them.
"Kaze wo oi-kakete ai wo tsukamaete aoi kono machi ga kuzurete shimau mae ni."
- Kumi Miyasato, "Kaze no Lullabye"
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| Re: Rating System [message #863794] |
Thu, 04 August 2005 03:49 |
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Sounds like that's why fanfiction.net changed their rating system too. I have a suggestion to the rating system, the same one ff.net uses. This is the site:
http://www.fictionratings.com/guide.php
Not sure if you it's ok to use though, but check it out.
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| Re: Rating System [message #864246] |
Thu, 04 August 2005 17:00 |
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| Shadow Mistress wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 03:49 |
Sounds like that's why fanfiction.net changed their rating system too. I have a suggestion to the rating system, the same one ff.net uses. This is the site:
http://www.fictionratings.com/guide.php
Not sure if you it's ok to use though, but check it out.
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If you click on "TOS and Registration" on that page, you'll see that any site that plans to use those ratings has to register with FictionRatings.com (an affiliate of FanFiction.net) to use those ratings. We are not affiliated with FanFiction.net and don't plan to be.
If you scroll up a few posts, you'll see that our new rating system has already been decided on.
| Xakana wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 01:50 |
It seems a bit off to have the ratings jump from YA to X (porn) with nothing in between. "X" has the stigma of lacking plot or development, which isn't fair to a story that's mostly plot but contains one or two graphic lemons. Shouldn't there be an "A" in between? For stories that aren't intended as sex-driven?
~Xak
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Unfortunately, the stigma that is attached to adult-oriented material is socially-driven, not dictated by any one website. I am a writer of adult fiction myself, I know this all too well. However, I also watched movies such as Terminator and Predator as a child, when most adults were saying they were unfit for any but adult eyes. That is why we have the "X" rating - we will likely fine tune the description to mean that it's not JUST porn, but it IS for things that are recommended for 18+. If there's one or two graphic lemons in the fic, it is adult in nature, no matter HOW much plot is involved.
"YA" is intended for those fics that are not explicitly adult in content or contain any adult content. These are the former "R" rating, or as is being used on some anime and manga, "16+". Sex may be implied or suggested but is not directly involved. Blood and gore are kept to non-guro levels. Violence is involved but not extreme.
It's not so much a "jump" between those ratings as the same standard that has always existed. I have no doubt in my mind that a 17 year old brain is that much different than an 18 year old brain, but until you can convince the governments that have 18 as the age of majority otherwise, that's what we're stuck working with.
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| Re: Rating System [message #864312] |
Thu, 04 August 2005 18:43 |
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I actually think that the rating system is going to be for the better. Now, MediaMiner has its own rating system that they can judge by. Awesome, I say. 
"...and these children that you spit on, as they try to change their worlds are immune to your consultations. They're quite aware of what they're going through..."
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| Re: Rating System [message #864387] |
Thu, 04 August 2005 19:51 |
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| Soskai wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 19:13 |
I actually think that the rating system is going to be for the better. Now, MediaMiner has its own rating system that they can judge by. Awesome, I say.
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You think so? I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. I think it's getting out of hand. The ratings system was supposed to make it easier for people to discern what they are reading, watching, or playing.
Now, everyone has to have their own system because the conformity violates copyright?
No matter what the legal issues are here, simple common sense tells a person that having to learn a different rating system for every book, movie, story, game--or any other form of entertainment media available to the public--only makes it all more confusing.
And on top of that, the fanfiction archives all seem to be going with different ratings systems. Not that anyone can blame the archives for switching around when they're being threatened with lawsuits.
I just think the spirit of the original intent of ratings was somehow lost along the way. These days it all just seems like it's becoming a great big mess. 
Ah, but that's just my two cents, give or take a ha'penny.
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| Re: Rating System [message #864401] |
Thu, 04 August 2005 20:09 |
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| quillwing717 wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 19:51 |
No matter what the legal issues are here, simple common sense tells a person that having to learn a different rating system for every book, movie, story, game--or any other form of entertainment media available to the public--only makes it all more confusing.
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Well, I do have to agree with you on that. It does seem to be getting out of hand. But perhaps some good will come out of this. Who know?
"...and these children that you spit on, as they try to change their worlds are immune to your consultations. They're quite aware of what they're going through..."
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| Re: Rating System [message #864458] |
Thu, 04 August 2005 21:01 |
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| quillwing717 wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 21:51 |
I just think the spirit of the original intent of ratings was somehow lost along the way. These days it all just seems like it's becoming a great big mess.
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The spirit of the ratings was so soccer moms can ignore them and sue companies for their own stupidity. Make all the complaints, whines and death threats you want, but I don't think in any part of the forum or archive it says "hey we're putting this up, do you agree?"
Gee between this and the non-anime mothley crew, it's starting to look like the CYOA fuss a while back. 
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| Re: Rating System [message #864616] |
Fri, 05 August 2005 00:45 |
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| Shinto Red wrote on Sat, 30 July 2005 14:26 |
Your welcome. I've also been informed the RIAA is going after (fines, suing) and shutting down sites with lyrics from songs. This means song fics could be a target. The way the world works today... *sighs*
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Which, i think, is SO STUPID!
*warning, intense(?) but meaningful rant ahead*
We're not even MAKING MONEY for these fics. We're just writing them for others' entertainment and/or maybe just for a hobby. OMG! The RIAA is nailing people using lyrics for their songfics. Last I checked, it's only illegal if you MAKE MONEY off of someone else's work. And are any of us? (Hopefully) NO! Seriously, someone has to yell at the RIAA. Ever since the music sharing craze started, RIAA has been a paranoid prick in the %$#@^.
Hell, even some of these songfics could be considered tributes to said song. (Honestly, I haven't read any yet... but I'm assuming...) Can't they notice that?! Come on!
Now, I'm not sure if I can curse all I want... so I did hold back. But hopefully someone learned something from this.
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| Re: Rating System [message #864861] |
Fri, 05 August 2005 15:28 |
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| Kiyobi wrote on Thu, 04 August 2005 22:45 |
| Shinto Red wrote on Sat, 30 July 2005 14:26 |
Your welcome. I've also been informed the RIAA is going after (fines, suing) and shutting down sites with lyrics from songs. This means song fics could be a target. The way the world works today... *sighs*
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Which, i think, is SO STUPID!
*warning, intense(?) but meaningful rant ahead*
We're not even MAKING MONEY for these fics. We're just writing them for others' entertainment and/or maybe just for a hobby. OMG! The RIAA is nailing people using lyrics for their songfics. Last I checked, it's only illegal if you MAKE MONEY off of someone else's work. And are any of us? (Hopefully) NO! Seriously, someone has to yell at the RIAA. Ever since the music sharing craze started, RIAA has been a paranoid prick in the %$#@^.
Hell, even some of these songfics could be considered tributes to said song. (Honestly, I haven't read any yet... but I'm assuming...) Can't they notice that?! Come on!
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Amen. Preach it! 
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| Re: Rating System [message #864875] |
Fri, 05 August 2005 15:49 |
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Yes, preach it.
http://www.riaa.com
But preach it there, please.
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| Re: Rating System [message #864929] |
Fri, 05 August 2005 17:15 |
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| Razor Knight wrote on Fri, 05 August 2005 17:49 |
http://www.riaa.com
But preach it there, please.
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I really hate to repeat myself 
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| Re: Rating System [message #865807] |
Sat, 06 August 2005 17:31 |
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| Kiyobi wrote on Fri, 05 August 2005 00:45 |
Last I checked, it's only illegal if you MAKE MONEY off of someone else's work.
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Technically it's illegal if you are taking away the copyright holder's money. I could post a copy of a Madonna CD or the latest Lost episode or Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince online for free and still be in violation, even though I didn't make any money, since I am taking away the money from the singers/actors/writers/other people. This is also the mentality of the more consciencious fansubbers/scanaltion people -- when an official English language version is unavailable, the work is unlikely to be prosecuted by the copyright holder, since it isn't taking money out of the copyright holder's pocket. Continuing work after a series is liscened is a different matter, since they are competing with the people appointed by the copyright holder.
The MPAA/RIAA are still rather anal, since a songfic or a ratings system would not be taking away their profits (and could even help marketing a song). The same with fanfic/fanart in general -- most people (with a few exceptions) will not prosecute fanfic authors/fanartists, because overall they have a beneficial effect for the copyright holders.
Disclaimer: Am not a lawyer, so I could be wrong. Most of that is common sense reasoning.
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| Re: Rating System [message #865876] |
Sat, 06 August 2005 20:51 |
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I have heard about this myself.
But I have not seen anything concrete concerning this from the RIAA about the songfics. I've even stated on my site that I'm calling BS on this, and I am investigating this situation.
So far, nothing in my searches on Google have came up (searched for "songfics" and "songfics + riaa").
Until someone comes up with definite proof, I advise people to NOT WORRY ABOUT IT AND CONTINUE TO WRITE AND SUBMIT SONGFICS WITHOUT FEAR!!
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| Re: Rating System [message #866323] |
Sun, 07 August 2005 18:35 |
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If only people who are taking down these things could see that they could actually WIN on a lawsuit by the RIAA
And I'm not taking down ANY fanfiction at ALL. And if someone tries, I'll fight them. This is because until I find out that songfics SPECIFICALLY are being targeted (not a rumor, as it still is, but an actual threat with the words "song-fanfiction", or a variation of it, in the release), then people shouldn't be taking down fiction. And I won't, either.
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| Re: Rating System [message #866358] |
Sun, 07 August 2005 20:23 |
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Go dp!
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| Re: Rating System [message #868170] |
Tue, 09 August 2005 12:56 |
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Yes, unfortunately MediaMiner's Root is currently engaged in a lengthy lawsuit over the use of Copyright material such as the old standard rating system. As you can see we've already had to make changes, but more are likely to come.
If you can, please increase your donations to MediaMiner, we could really use it.no not for law suits. that was BS. But we just need money period.
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| Re: Rating System [message #877083] |
Fri, 19 August 2005 20:37 |
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| Dynamo_ace wrote on Sat, 13 August 2005 10:20 |
It seems the MPAA is becoming obnoxious...again!
Will these media bodies get a clue!
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Apparently not. Them and the RIAA are scared of something bad happening as a result....like you buying a CD or you going to see a movie. God forbid they'd let THAT happen.
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